tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post2756102109984212068..comments2024-03-26T02:16:22.309-07:00Comments on parinella's blog: Stat post for The Huddleparinellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03802604259779936852noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-13278077649529964912013-10-07T20:35:04.512-07:002013-10-07T20:35:04.512-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02432486237142744402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-494600314338186782013-08-27T19:47:23.658-07:002013-08-27T19:47:23.658-07:00In this case it was a vertical stack, the force va...In this case it was a vertical stack, the force varied between BH and FH. Obviously the vast majority of passes going up-the-sideline are to the open side. This is clearly going to be lower percentage when there is less space to throw and cut into. <br />The swing from this position will of course often also result in a couple of easy passes. <br /><br />It is interesting information to have though, and especially powerful to tell a less experienced team to reinforce the need to move the disc horizontally too; rather than completing one low percentage pass, you can complete a higher percentage one which will lead to a string of high percentage ones. <br /><br />Perhaps a little unrelated, but these sorts of stats can also lead towards D tactics. At least at this less experienced level, given these stats I'd be tempted to funnel the disc towards the sideline when it is in the middle of the field using a straight up force, and once it is there force towards that sideline. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601899094603733813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-1102159854000702332013-08-27T09:41:44.226-07:002013-08-27T09:41:44.226-07:00We asked the 'better puller vs. better defende...We asked the 'better puller vs. better defender' question (and similar questions) a lot when I was helping run Chicago Machine. I was hoping to do some team stats work then can help give us best guesses at what on field situations are best for offenses and defenses. It seems like many others are thinking in a similar fashion, so hopefully we can create some useful theory in the near future.Bradyhttp://pulleddisc.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-27136913280959993732013-08-27T08:37:31.263-07:002013-08-27T08:37:31.263-07:00Steve, that's interesting. What was the force...Steve, that's interesting. What was the force and the stack? Perhaps it's not middle per se but rather than those cuts are with the force while others are breaks. But either way, it highlights that counting only north-south yards and ignoring all lateral movement (and its effect on completion rate) is inadequate.<br /><br />I plan to do another post on the ultiword stats heat map and its simplified linear version.parinellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802604259779936852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-59497218998785228922013-08-27T08:17:52.321-07:002013-08-27T08:17:52.321-07:00Yay! Jim is back!
I would completely agree tha...Yay! Jim is back! <br /><br />I would completely agree that we aren't at a point where we understand what stats are useful and what stats aren't. It is exciting (at least to me) that we are at the experimental phase with this statistical analysis. <br /><br />As a coach I think one thing that is overlooked is how to use statistics to impact change on the field. While the raw number of turnovers a person has might have some use, I think it is in the reflection on those turnovers that the utility lies. <br /><br />A particular number of turnovers may be too many or just fine depending on the conditions, which alters the numbers too much to measure effectively. But by looking at the quality of each turnover (errant throw vs stall 9 bomb) you add in subjectivity to the raw number. <br /><br />The dependence of the statistics on so many variables makes it difficult to utilize well at an individual level. At a team level it seems more manageable.<br /><br />Hopefully as we continue this experiment people will find statistics that have more meaning. But at this point I still trust my eyes more than I trust the numbers.<br /><br />*Note: I would say that stats during scouting has been very useful to me. But then you aren't looking to use stats to change something, only to inform about something. Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984278623325538508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-84086345593317940742013-08-27T00:20:40.549-07:002013-08-27T00:20:40.549-07:00You might be interested in some team-wide stats I ...You might be interested in some team-wide stats I took during a training camp for the Australian Junior Open Team in the lead up to WJUC last year. I kept track of:<br /><br />- Passes originating in the middle of the field travelling to the middle of the field<br />- Passes originating in the middle of the field travelling to the side of the field<br />- Passes originating at the side of the field and travelling to the middle of the field<br />- Passes originating at the side of the field travelling to the same side of the field. <br /><br />Middle-middle completion rate was about 98%. Both of the next two were about 95%. The up-the-sideline completion rate was about 50%. <br /><br />Obviously as players increase in experience the completion rate will go up from 50%, but I think this is still valuable information. Especially when you consider what happens if you want to attempt to string passes together along a sideline. <br /><br />Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601899094603733813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994039.post-30471370767412942812013-08-26T23:34:10.542-07:002013-08-26T23:34:10.542-07:00Ultimate is not really the only sports game in whi...Ultimate is not really the only sports game in which statistics are of little utility. Even your NexGen graph shows that the upper-left mid-triangle guy (4% tp,10% gp) was rocking -- and your handler under 4% is also remarkably proficient. Yards-per-turnover is truly the important statistic and allows one to compare efficiency across positions. It is very simple: a handler throwing similar yards as another handler but with half the turnovers is significantly more valuable. Stats let you know who are the turnover machines -- and who truly value the disc. And it is NOT the case that without stats people will still notice extreme proficiency. Personality, popularity, attitude, reputation, style, etc., affect perceptions. I’ve seen guys with five turnovers in a game hailed as a hero afterward because of a phenomenal layout catch. Finally, you are likely partly correct about why the handlers are in the lower-left hand corner – but also part of the reason they are throwing a lower percentage of turnovers is that, well, they are handlers. And so almost certainly the best on the team at throwing, breaking-the-mark and valuing the disc.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15897218512958151968noreply@blogger.com